The True Sun of the Incas
Part II

© Andy Lloyd 26th August 2004.
Reprinted with permission at

This article continues from “The True Sun of the Incas, Part 1” (1)

Other anomalous finds from Peru add fuel to this celestial fire.  Kathy Doore is a researcher who has travelled to Peru many times in connection with the Ica Stones, and runs the website.  Some time ago she sent me some images of an example of an Ica Stone that appeared to show anomalous celestial phenomena that could well be related to a previous appearance of Nibiru.  If these carved river stones are authentic in displaying the artwork of an ancient people inhabiting the lands of Peru, then this is certainly strong evidence.  But I was cautious initially, because other Ica Stones (and there are literally tens of thousands of them) show dinosaurs and such like.  It all seemed a little far-fetched.

incawarrior This image shows an Andean silver headdress said to depict a ‘warrior flanked by two dragons’ (5). Note the 7 discs creating a necklace around the warrior’s neck (the one to the far right is damaged). If one takes the dragons to be fiery wings flanking a central disc (and the warrior’s face is clearly spherical) then we can see the classic Winged Disc imagery emerge here.

This is Dark Star symbolism, made all the more poignant by the inclusion of the seven discs; showing the seven orbiting moons, two of which are major, five minor.  The two major moon discs correspond to the uraei of the Egyptian Winged Discs.

The primary investigator of the Ica Stones was the late Dr Javier Cabrera.  He set about trying to collect, catalogue and analyse patterns among the Stones, obtaining them for practically nothing from Peruvians who claimed that they had excavated them.  Archaeological digs must be permitted officially in Peru, and this led to certain problems of authenticating the finds when the Peruvian media became involved: some of the people who were original sources of the Ica Stones changed their stories when pressed by the authorities and claimed to have created the tens of thousands of stones over the course of several years.

The matter of the Ica Stones had already been dismissed by academic archaeologists in general, and now was firmly debunked by the media.  Despite this, there remains a fascination for them.  This is probably because the accusation of ‘fraud’ flies in the face of common sense.  There are up to 50,000 of these stones in private collections around the globe; the process of creating them would have amounted to an industrial scale output.  Yet they have always been worth next to nothing individually, and for many years languished in rubbish piles in the Ica museum.  Furthermore, there was scientific evidence to suggest that the engravings were indeed old, and certainly not contemporary, as the frustrated Dr Cabrera explained:

“On January 28, 1969 I received word from Eric Wolf that the results of the laboratory analysis conducted by a Professor Frenchen and his assistants at the University of Bonn were available.  The stones were andesite and were covered by a patina or film of natural oxidation which also covered the etchings, permitting one to deduce that they are very old.

“In view of the fact that the patina of oxidation that covered the stones proved the general but not precise antiquity of the engravings, and in view of the fact that precision could only be had by using the comparative methods of stratigraphy and paleontology, I requested authorization in April 1970 from the Patronato Nacionial de Arqueologia to carry out excavations in the appropriate zone. This institution alone had the power to authorize such excavations. On July 16, 1970, my request was refused. Thus the only means of dating the Engraved Stones of Ica was closed to me.” (2)

In addition, several Ica Stones were discovered in unearthed tombs in the Ica region by archeologists in the 1960s, self-evidently authenticating these particular stones and bringing into question the almost universal dismissal of the Ica Stones in general:

“In 1968, the archeologist Pezzia Assereto, who had accompanied Agurto Calvo, published a book on the archeology of the province of Ica, in which he makes note of the discovery: “Agurto was able after several attempts to find an engraved stone inside a tomb in the sector of Toma Luz of the Hacienda Callango del Valle in Ica on 20 August 1966… After informing the Museo Regional of Ica of such an important find, Agurto and I made another excavation on 11 September of the same year, in the hill called Uhle of the sector of La Banda in the Hacienda Ocucaje, and we found for the first time an engraved stone inside a tomb of the Paracas culture, a thing I was not expecting, but which proved, by association, the authenticity of these artifacts”” (2)

Even so, things are rarely black and white.  It is entirely possible that even if there are original, ancient Ica Stones dug out of the ground or found in tombs, there may also be a large body of faked Stones created by some of the locals hoping to cash in on the find.  In which case, how does one determine which of them are genuine and which are faked, and how does one draw any firm conclusions from the body of Stones as a whole?  A similar predicament presents itself when assessing the Crop Circles prevalent each year in the English countryside; no one thinks they are all ‘genuine’, but some researchers consider it likely that some crop circles are truly anomalous.  This complex picture seems plausible, so we must tread carefully when similarly considering the Ica Stones.

If entirely genuine, the Ica Stones present a massive body of ancient scientific knowledge in the realms of astronomy, medicine, cartography, biology, and technology and natural history.  So it is little wonder that the authenticity of these myriad stones has been called into question.  Dr Cabrera’s most explosive claim was that depictions showing men alongside dinosaurs indicated that the stones emanated from the very remote past, and that mankind lived during the era of the dinosaurs.  This rather incredulous claim probably banged a few more nails into the coffin of the Ica Stones; it certainly would not have endeared his efforts to academia.

Yet others have also suggested such a possibility. For example, on the fossilised bed of the Paluxy River in Texas the so-called ‘Taylor Trail’ of human footprints is crossed over by prints of a three-toes dinosaur.  The ancient rock at this site is dated to over 100 million years (3).  Fossilised footprints have been discovered in deep mines, indicating human antiquity well beyond the current estimates. Conversely, other relics from the ancient past, like the 5000 year old Egyptian ‘Palette of Narmer’ seem to show dinosaurs interacting with people (3).

This area of research is a fascinating one, though somewhat beyond the scope of this essay.  However, I think one should be careful about assuming that a body of knowledge of dinosaurs among ancient peoples might indicate either remote human existence or the contemporary anomalous existence of such ‘live’ creatures.  There is another possibility.


The supposed existence of a destroyed civilisation pre-dating Egypt and Sumer falls into two categories: the fabled existence of Atlantis, as described by Plato, and the intervention of space-faring gods, or ‘ancient astronauts’.

Both schools of thought have a spectrum of advocates, (and many detractors), and both theories call for advanced technology and scientific knowledge among a lost ancient people in both cases.

Traces of that knowledge are thought to have passed down by oral tradition, anomalous material evidence and through the careful and detailed construction of ancient monuments. 

It seems eminently plausible to me that a working scientific knowledge of remote Natural History of our Earth would have been understood by either Atlanteans or, even more likely, the Anunnaki.  In the case of the latter, the Anunnaki are described as having a keen interest in mining for gold (4), beginning in Africa and probably extending to South America.  It does not seem beyond the realm of possibility that dinosaur bones were excavated, studied and perhaps collected. Thus, a technologically advanced race of humans in antiquity may have known of the dinosaurs, and that knowledge may have filtered down to ancient peoples after the Cataclysm through dragon-based myths and the like. 

Perhaps, then, the Ica Stones were created by ancient Peruvian peoples based upon an inherited knowledge of the Earth’s Natural History.  We could then rule out the existence of dinosaurs still roaming the Earth in living memory (which seems unlikely, although not entirely impossible) and the idea, promulgated unsuccessfully by Dr Cabrera, that the Ica Stones stand as a unique testament to the very remote existence of humanity many millions of years ago.



So what of the particular example highlighted by the researcher Kathy Doore, shown above?  If they are genuine, ancient Ica Stones created by the indigenous people of Peru hundreds, possibly thousands of years ago, then do they point to the existence of the ‘True Sun of the Incas’?  This Ica Stone has several fascinating features. Firstly, the Andeans pictured appear to be looking up at the heavens using telescopes.  One would imagine this to be utterly impossible for the ancient Incas; a certain mark of fakery surely?

Well, things are never quite as straightforward as they first appear.  Robert Temple, the author of ‘The Sirius Mystery’, wrote a book about the unrecognised collections of ancient lenses in various museum collections around the world, entitled ‘The Crystal Sun’ (6).  The lenses had been discovered by archeologists for generations and dutifully handed over to disinterested antiquarians for display in various museums.  His book makes a strong case for the widespread use of lens in the ancient world, and even proposes the use of telescopes, as can be seen from the shard of Greek pottery that adorns the front cover of his book.

Temple does not describe examples from South America, but there are famous examples of worked rock crystal from Meso-America. I have in mind, of course, the Mitchell-Hedges Crystal Skulls. 

It is not a big leap from these incredible artifacts to working rock crystal into lenses to be used by the Incas, and thus featuring on an Ica Stone.  So perhaps we would do well to keep an open mind on the potential for ancient technologies in the Andes.  Of course, this is not the only remarkable feature of Kathy’s Ica Stone.  The centre-point of the heavens pictured on the stone is an odd-shaped feature, not unlike an upturned boat! Perhaps a celestial barge, like the ones often featured by the ancient Egyptians? This celestial barge is accompanied by clouds, meteors and stars.  Additionally, below the celestial canopy is a huge comet. 

But note that the Andeans are not pointing their telescopes at the great comet, as one might expect.  Instead, they are looking at that celestial barge.  So I wonder whether the ‘celestial barge’ is the return of the Dark Star Nibiru, surrounded by its halos and companion ‘stars’ (really moons).  If so, then telescopes are evidently required to see the heavenly apparition, which is itself interesting.  A point I shall pursue in my new book ‘Binary Companion’, (which I hope to finish one of these days…)  The lower and rather prominent ‘comet’, or sizeable meteor, is perhaps a sign of danger; the potential for a catastrophe associated with the return of Nibiru. 

Perhaps this is portending the end of an Age when the ‘True Sun’ returns?

Of course, this all rather depends upon the authenticity of the Ica Stones in the first place, and this is not a question that will be answered soon, if ever.  Archeologists have no interest in these stones whatsoever, having assumed from the start that they must be fake.  But the context of this particular Ica Stone is certainly consistent with a body of evidence about the Dark Star, the ‘True Sun’, that is continuing to build from various sources, both mythological and scientific.  See featured Ica Stones Links at bottom of this page.


1)  A. Lloyd “The True Sun of the Incas, Part 1” 15th January 2004

2) K. Doore (Ed); ‘Excerpts from “The Message of the Engraved Stones of Ica” by Javier Cabrera’

3)  M. Baigent “Ancient Traces”  pp18-20, Penguin 1998

4)  Z. Sitchin “The Twelfth Planet” Avon 1976

5)  A. Cotterell (Ed) “Encyclopedia of World Mythology” PP294-9 Parragon 1999

6)  R. Temple “The Crystal Sun” Century 2000

7) Zoltan Andrew Simon ‘Atlantis: The Seven Seals.’ Robinson Expeditions Publishing in Vancouver, B.C. 1983. With thanks to Greg Jenner

A. Lloyd ‘Winged Disc’ 2001: Available from the author

D. Ulansey ‘Mithras and the Hypercosmic Sun’

Z. Sitchin ‘The Lost Realms’ p29, Avon 1990 “Fuente Magna – Rosetta Stone of the Americas” thanks to Lloyd Pye.

R. Day ‘Nibiru Planet X: Evidence from Antiquity’ 1998.

M. Cotterell & A. Gilbert ‘The Mayan Prophecies’ Appendix 4, Element 1995.

G. Hancock & Santha Faiia ‘Heaven’s Mirror: Quest for the Lost Civilisation’ p277, Penguin 1998.

‘The Cosmology of Tawantinsuyu’ J. Sammer

My grateful thanks to Lee Covino and Greg Jenner. ~ Andy Lloyd.